Saturday, July 19, 2014

Do MoFem's Really Love and Appreciate Men?



While continuing to read profiles in an effort to understand, I came across yet another snippet which I had to address, both to help illuminate my understanding and to get things off my chest.

Hardly! To the contrary, we love, respect, and admire men. We who are Mormon feminists are not an alien breed of women; we  are mothers, grandmothers, sisters, daughters, wives, and friends to men. We see how instrumental they are in our lives and how much they are needed in the Plan of Salvation. We want EQUALITY with men, not superiority over them.
                And just to make sure I leave no rock left unturned, let me be clear that I, nor any Mormon feminist I know, have any desire to be a man. I abhor the idea of wearing a suit to church, I find dresses far more pretty and girly. I don’t want a beard, ever, nor do I want anyone to ever mistake me as a man. Nothing wrong with men, but I love being a woman. Being EQUAL with men is in no way whatsoever synonymous with wanting to BE a man.
                I love men being men (expecially manly men, let me just say “rawr”). I also love equality. You can love feminism and also love men; neither are mutually exclusive.


So before I break it down, let's take a moment and see just how much feminist "love" men:


They love them enough to erase male victims of rape and sexual assault. It wasn't until 2011 that they were even included in the definition.

They love them enough to erase male victims of domestic violence despite their being gender symmetry in its frequency.

They love men enough to completely erase violence against men and ignore their rights, despite men being the majority of victims.

Heck here is a little more feminist legacy on the subject.

They love men enough to completely focus on female objectification while not only ignoring male objectification but pretending it doesn't exist.

They love men enough to censor conferences (with violence even) addressing their issues, and then proceed to blame them for incidents that these conferences sought to address.

They love men enough to create a bias family court system (including racketeering and violations of constitutional rights), where women get default custody (despite saying nurturing is not gender specific), and are continually favored, while getting lighter sentences and special treatment under the law. Even going so far as to create unique charges that apply only to women.

They love men enough to focus on workplace myths (see an old post, a fraction of the sources debunking it still), while ignoring harsh realities that only men face.

They love men enough to fight to be in the military, while leaving the primary burden of war on men, and then pretend that they have theprimary burden. 

They love men enough to let misandry run rampant in our media, schools, and entire culture, remaining silent on the issue (I have no sources of feminist concern because they are silent).

They love men so much, that they ignore these problematic issues men face in favor of extremely inconsequential issues women face.

They love men enough to pretend that all the issues, sexism, and burdens men are really just examples of sexism against women. Even when men suffer it's all about the women.

I could go on, but these are I think some of the leading examples of hatred against men from feminism. Some have at least no qualms about saying so, while others will deny that not all are like that, at least the real ones aren't (which falls into this logical fallacy). The rest however, remain silent. There are some who proclaim to be feminist, but are an entirely different breed from the mainstream, and are usually disqualified as feminist because of the shared ties with the MRHM.

Lets break down the rest of the quote: 

We who are Mormon feminists are not an alien breed of women; we  are mothers, grandmothers, sisters, daughters, wives, and friends to men. 

Of course you are not alien, what a ridiculous notion. And by the way, are there not male feminists too? You love men so much, you completely forgot to mention those among your ranks.

We see how instrumental they are in our lives and how much they are needed in the Plan of Salvation. We want EQUALITY with men, not superiority over them.

The first sentence is true, however I don't think MoFem's fully comprehend it. They want equality, so they say, but then why are they feminist?
 
And just to make sure I leave no rock left unturned, let me be clear...

Yes?

...that I, nor any Mormon feminist I know, have any desire to be a man. I abhor the idea of wearing a suit to church, I find dresses far more pretty and girly. I don’t want a beard, ever, nor do I want anyone to ever mistake me as a man.

Translation: I don't want to do all that icky stuff men have to do, with their burdens and responsibilities to protect, provide, and basically conform to a narrow gender role (not spoken directly, but implied because that would undoubtedly be restricting still).

Nothing wrong with men, but I love being a woman. Being EQUAL with men is in no way whatsoever synonymous with wanting to BE a man.

Translation: Nothing wrong with men, except that they are men of course, I just want to be what I define as equal, having all the benefits of being a man without the attached burdens and responsibilities. Basically the best of both worlds, having everything men have and still being a woman.

So one question comes to mind, what about the reverse? Can I have what benefits women have without 'being a woman'? Can I be a stay at home dad, having claim to my wife to provide and protect (irrespective of the circumstances) for the family? Men and children first. Can I bear and nurture the children? Can I not wear ties to church but have free reign on what I consider to be pretty? Will she put herself before the children and me? Probably not.


I love men being men (expecially manly men, let me just say “rawr”). I also love equality. You can love feminism and also love men; neither are mutually exclusive.


I know you love men being men because heaven forbid women get stuck with all difficult yet necessary tasks that make life possible. Also, thank you for your open objectification of men, I mean by feminist standards expressing only interest in them physically is objectification right?  Also by feminist standards, this amounts to sexual assault because I'm being victimized by your lewd comments about my gender.

I'm also afraid your second claim how man loving and feminism are not mutually exclusive, is inaccurate. Do you feel the same about combining religious faiths like Mormonism and Catholicism, can you be a catholic and a latter-day saint? One day you will have to choose a side, for "no (wo)man can serve two masters..."  

Another quote comes to mind, "...while they draw near unto me with their lips, their hearts are far from me." If  the evidence I presented above isn't enough, there is more, but I think it stands to reason that as long as someone claims to love men while holding true to the tenants of feminism, they are guilty of professing with their lips and not their hearts. Stated simply, their love for men is superficial. Which explains why men are tolerated because of their utility to society. As a man however, I refuse to be seen as nothing more than a tool to be cast aside as soon as I outlive my usefulness, the whole time being told that I am loved, when I clearly am not.


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